integral theory
What makes learning about the ultimate easier in the modern era, and what makes it harder?: Integralists
The spectrum In 1977, Ken Wilber proposed something either outrageously presumptuous or quietly obvious: the world’s wisdom traditions are not in contradiction. They are describing different stages of the same developmental sequence.... Relational Tech Project. Just found out about this initiative and (without having had more than a skim so far) was reminded of my recently created UpTrust account, so this will be my first post. Hi to all who may see this!
https://relationaltechproject.org/"We can build what we need
Many of us wish our neighborhoods were more connected. We want to live in neighborhoods where we learn from the creativity, care, and skills of our neighbors — and share our gifts too.
We've been told a perfect app or platform would help us, but that hasn't panned out. The hard truth is that no one is coming to save us.
The good news: we can build what we need!"
https://relationaltechproject.org/Hey Jordan - thanks for your question and sorry for the late reply. I have not. How about you? What I do have tried is several of your online talks / interviews, and I just started giving "A Beautiful Apocalypse" a try after discovering it on Transformational Connecion's SAS... An Evolutionary View of Bitcoin
TL;DR Bitcoin is an integral artifact that fuses aspects of several levels of development / value memes to create something novel and potentially world-changing.... looks like I've been wrong and spreading misinformation about the disproven "triune brain theory".
The final—and most important—problem with this mistaken view is the implication that anatomical evolution proceeds in the same fashion as geological strata, with new layers added over existing ones. Instead, much evolutionary change consists of transforming existing parts.
- From https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0963721420917687#con1
I have definitely made this mistake, many many times.
I'm not sure yet the implications of recognizing instead that "all vertebrates possess the same basic brain regions, here divided into the forebrain, midbrain, and hindbrain;" in some ways it seems like a nuance, but in other ways I think it'll shift how I see things and talk about things.
more quotes in case you don't read the article:
neural and anatomical complexity evolved repeatedly within many independent lineages
the correct view of evolution is that animals radiated from common ancestors (Fig. 1c). Within these radiations, complex nervous systems and sophisticated cognitive abilities evolved independently many times. For example, cephalopod mollusks, such as octopus and cuttlefish, possess tremendously complex nervous systems and behavior (Mather & Kuba, 2013), and the same is true of some insects and other arthropods (Barron & Klein, 2016; Strausfeld, Hansen, Li, Gomez, & Ito, 1998). Even among nonmammalian vertebrates, brain complexity has increased independently several times, particularly among some sharks, teleost fishes, and birds (Striedter, 1998).
The idea that larger brains can be equated with increased behavioral complexity is highly debatable (Chittka & Niven, 2009).
thanks, yeah i agree this physical membrane thing is often lost in discussions of "collective intelligence" in the integrally oriented community, despite Ken Wilber directly addressing it a few times in various essays.... looks like I've been wrong and spreading misinformation about the disproven "triune brain theory".
The final—and most important—problem with this mistaken view is the implication that anatomical evolution proceeds in the same fashion as geological strata, with new layers added over existing ones. Instead, much evolutionary change consists of transforming existing parts.
- From https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0963721420917687#con1
I have definitely made this mistake, many many times.
I'm not sure yet the implications of recognizing instead that "all vertebrates possess the same basic brain regions, here divided into the forebrain, midbrain, and hindbrain;" in some ways it seems like a nuance, but in other ways I think it'll shift how I see things and talk about things.
more quotes in case you don't read the article:
neural and anatomical complexity evolved repeatedly within many independent lineages
the correct view of evolution is that animals radiated from common ancestors (Fig. 1c). Within these radiations, complex nervous systems and sophisticated cognitive abilities evolved independently many times. For example, cephalopod mollusks, such as octopus and cuttlefish, possess tremendously complex nervous systems and behavior (Mather & Kuba, 2013), and the same is true of some insects and other arthropods (Barron & Klein, 2016; Strausfeld, Hansen, Li, Gomez, & Ito, 1998). Even among nonmammalian vertebrates, brain complexity has increased independently several times, particularly among some sharks, teleost fishes, and birds (Striedter, 1998).
The idea that larger brains can be equated with increased behavioral complexity is highly debatable (Chittka & Niven, 2009).
I spent a lot of time in the "Integral community" in which all the pre-human (or pre-noospheric) stages involve physical membranes that enfold previous layers of structure. Cells are literally enclosing molecules.... My best attempt ever to make Integral Theory accessible to first tier
https://www.guidedtrack.com/programs/we0q1pq/run I’ve put all of my energy about this political season into creating the most helpful thing I can imagine.... Attempted Trump Assasination- Was he actually hit by a bullet? (meta commentary: I imagine the future of uptrust will host more conversations of this nature… so let’s see how we navigate it)
On Saturday, former president Donald Trump was the target of an attempted assassination.
Two things I want to talk about–
Was Trump actually hit by a bullet? I’m skeptical that a bullet grazed his ear, and think it’s more likely that a piece of shrapnel clipped him. I’m not intending to minimize the fact that someone definitely tried to kill him, but rather I am irritated by his spinning and inflation of the story if there is a truer thing to be said about what happened.
The secret service really fucked up. How on earth do they miss a lone sniper on a roof that many of the bystanders identified before them? I don’t think there is a conspiracy theory here, but do believe someone should probably be fired for their oversight.
I’d like to hear others’ opinions on this + where your credibility comes from. Name your news source or experience that leads you to believe what you’re sharing.
What do you guys think about the opinion I’ve been hearing that its a DEI issue—that the secret service compromised on it’s orange excellence to try to add more green diversity (rather than teal transcend and include, to put the argument in integral terms).... Can we handle the truth? If UpTrust works the way it’s intended, it will make truth more accessible. But what percentage of the population currently has the capacity to face truth?
Perhaps alongside truth, the tech will make the skills for being with the truth more accessible too. And avoidance will come in for the assist when needed?
In this case I’m referencing truth that arises by quantity of overlapping consensus. From what I recall, one of the ways Ken Wilber sussed out the AQUAL map was taking every wisdom, philosophy, religion, theory, etc that he could find, and the more of those that a concept was... Racism through a developmental lens. unfinished draft…
note: I’m totally uninformed here…Red: Does this benefit me?
Amber: My race is simply better (or worse) than yours. We perpetuate it because that’s good.
Orange:
Racism
is a thing we transcend by being worldcentric and meritocratic; we perpetuate it by constantly looking at everything through the racism lens.Green: Systemic racism is everywhere (and at the root of many of our social problems); we transcend it by balancing the scales with education and programs to help the victims and stop the perpetrators; we perpetuate it by taking advantage of our privileges, ignoring it, and doing nothing.
Teal: Systemic racism is real, but it’s mostly an unconscious self-organizing system that’s perpetuated because of the incentives that keep things how they are. We transcend by owning our projection, and by setting up systems that reward non-racism for each level of development in the currency that level values.
Turquoise: We never transcend racism, it’s a construct we enact through conscious embracing and boundarying/channeling or we enact through ignorance.
All these are frames that enact world-experiences that overlap, and they’re all us; these frames keep us from being in awareness and seeing awareness as the stuff the frames are made of-which is the way out of the self-referential self refuting trap of this frame into unity of experience…
note: This doesnt mean everyone who’s using the surface language of
systemic racism
or whatever is actually at that level—for example there’s a red green alliance that usesGreen
language because it benefits them directly; there’s an amber-green alliance that uses green language to make their in-group good/better and make others wrong/bad.I appreciate this! I agree, and I get a little frustrated by one of the ways this shows up: sometimes some integralists say "1st tier" views all claim that theirs is right, but that "stops at second tier when the integral view can see all the views" —it feels like a weird... Racism through a developmental lens. unfinished draft…
note: I’m totally uninformed here…Red: Does this benefit me?
Amber: My race is simply better (or worse) than yours. We perpetuate it because that’s good.
Orange:
Racism
is a thing we transcend by being worldcentric and meritocratic; we perpetuate it by constantly looking at everything through the racism lens.Green: Systemic racism is everywhere (and at the root of many of our social problems); we transcend it by balancing the scales with education and programs to help the victims and stop the perpetrators; we perpetuate it by taking advantage of our privileges, ignoring it, and doing nothing.
Teal: Systemic racism is real, but it’s mostly an unconscious self-organizing system that’s perpetuated because of the incentives that keep things how they are. We transcend by owning our projection, and by setting up systems that reward non-racism for each level of development in the currency that level values.
Turquoise: We never transcend racism, it’s a construct we enact through conscious embracing and boundarying/channeling or we enact through ignorance.
All these are frames that enact world-experiences that overlap, and they’re all us; these frames keep us from being in awareness and seeing awareness as the stuff the frames are made of-which is the way out of the self-referential self refuting trap of this frame into unity of experience…
note: This doesnt mean everyone who’s using the surface language of
systemic racism
or whatever is actually at that level—for example there’s a red green alliance that usesGreen
language because it benefits them directly; there’s an amber-green alliance that uses green language to make their in-group good/better and make others wrong/bad.Upvoting: Thanks for that exploration. For some reason, the "voice" of labeling from Integralists, generally, doesn’t seem to name its own voice. Something about that feels really interesting. Seems like an unconscious smuggle.... Racism through a developmental lens. unfinished draft…
note: I’m totally uninformed here…Red: Does this benefit me?
Amber: My race is simply better (or worse) than yours. We perpetuate it because that’s good.
Orange:
Racism
is a thing we transcend by being worldcentric and meritocratic; we perpetuate it by constantly looking at everything through the racism lens.Green: Systemic racism is everywhere (and at the root of many of our social problems); we transcend it by balancing the scales with education and programs to help the victims and stop the perpetrators; we perpetuate it by taking advantage of our privileges, ignoring it, and doing nothing.
Teal: Systemic racism is real, but it’s mostly an unconscious self-organizing system that’s perpetuated because of the incentives that keep things how they are. We transcend by owning our projection, and by setting up systems that reward non-racism for each level of development in the currency that level values.
Turquoise: We never transcend racism, it’s a construct we enact through conscious embracing and boundarying/channeling or we enact through ignorance.
All these are frames that enact world-experiences that overlap, and they’re all us; these frames keep us from being in awareness and seeing awareness as the stuff the frames are made of-which is the way out of the self-referential self refuting trap of this frame into unity of experience…
note: This doesnt mean everyone who’s using the surface language of
systemic racism
or whatever is actually at that level—for example there’s a red green alliance that usesGreen
language because it benefits them directly; there’s an amber-green alliance that uses green language to make their in-group good/better and make others wrong/bad.yeah i appreciate the invitation; I’m not entirely sure-sometimes I use the heuristic that if i’m seeing the world through the developmental lens at all I’m probably looking through the teal lens, but that seems too simplistic: sometimes I’m using the developmental lens to... Attraction is out of our control, Microbe overlords are controlling our actions. So, I watched this documentary on Netflix last night, which reignited my interest in the gut microbiome.
I’m connecting dots between what we’re learning about how the gut biome impacts mood and actions with the elusive nature of attraction.
During my Sunday Relateful Flow session, someone said,
I’m learning that trying to understand someone gets in the way of just letting myself be attracted to them.
Research is showing that the gut biome can influence and even potentially create conditions like depression, autism, and obesity.
More research will show that the sense of attraction to others is also influenced by the biome. We have scant data on this now- one study shows that female mice tended to be more attractive mates when they had more diverse gut flora.
So, why does this matter? It makes me think about sitting at the dinner table the other night. Some friends were over with their young child, and he was incessantly eating salt. The kid’s dad said
oh hm he must need salt,
trusting his natural intelligence.My hypothesis is that research will show that we’re attracted to people with the gut bacteria we need more for greater diversity, so our microbes drive us to exchange bodily fluids with them.😏
On the other hand, I guess it’s possible that if you’re overrun with less-than-ideal microbes or less gut biodiversity, then maybe those microbes want to stay in charge, and they’ll lead you to swap fluids with someone whose biome maintains the status quo.
Here’s what I think everyone should do with this information:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230120-how-gut-bacteria-are-controlling-your-brain
1. Eat more fiber and fermented foods. Do this for many months.
2. Once you’ve worked on ensuring you have a diverse microbiome, trust your attraction. If you’re monog, sorry- you need to take up polyamory. Give it a go. For your health. 😜I believe fo any given phenomenon (like attraction), there’s a co-arising of psychological, biological/behavioral, cultural, and systemic factors at play. This is the essence of the "quadrants" aspect of the integral model....
